[cc-devel] Doubt on non-commercial

Discussion:

Shrinivasan T

2013-12-15 08:06:20 UTC

Friends.

I have a doubt on the term "non-commercial"

I seen a digital content with the following license.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/legalcode

Though the content is shared free of cost with all attributions
digitally online,
I want to print the content as a printed book and share with people.

Printing as book needs some money and can not give the printed book
for free for all.
So, we need to have some minimum cost as price for the book.

But, now this become commercial. Hence, can not sell the book as per license.

How to solve this issue?

Can we have dual license for print and digital media?

Is it possible for CC license for digital versions and "All rights
reserved publishers" or something similar for print versions?

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Tarmo Toikkanen

2013-12-15 08:16:23 UTC

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You solve the issue by contacting the authors of the content you need, and negotiate a permission for your use.

What authors can do already is use CC+, meaning they give out a CC license and indicate where and how to gain (usually, purchase) access to additional rights.
--
Tarmo Toikkanen
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Post by Shrinivasan T
Friends.
I have a doubt on the term "non-commercial"
I seen a digital content with the following license.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/legalcode
Though the content is shared free of cost with all attributions
digitally online,
I want to print the content as a printed book and share with people.
Printing as book needs some money and can not give the printed book
for free for all.
So, we need to have some minimum cost as price for the book.
But, now this become commercial. Hence, can not sell the book as per license.
How to solve this issue?
Can we have dual license for print and digital media?
Is it possible for CC license for digital versions and "All rights
reserved publishers" or something similar for print versions?
--
Regards,
T.Shrinivasan
My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com
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Shrinivasan T

2013-12-15 08:26:14 UTC

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Thanks for the reply.

It means, even though if a author released his digital content in
CC-NC, he can give rights to any publishers for printing with "All
rights reserved for publishers" license.

Can a CC-NC licensed digital content be printed with some other
license ( Non CC ), with the author's permission?

This seems the author can release his content in multiple license for
various medium.

Am I right?

Apologies for many questions.

Getting so many questions from public when I do evangelism for CC.

Post by Tarmo Toikkanen
You solve the issue by contacting the authors of the content you need, and
negotiate a permission for your use.
What authors can do already is use CC+, meaning they give out a CC license
and indicate where and how to gain (usually, purchase) access to additional
rights.
--
Tarmo Toikkanen
tarmo at iki.fi
http://tarmo.fi
Friends.
I have a doubt on the term "non-commercial"
I seen a digital content with the following license.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/legalcode
Though the content is shared free of cost with all attributions
digitally online,
I want to print the content as a printed book and share with people.
Printing as book needs some money and can not give the printed book
for free for all.
So, we need to have some minimum cost as price for the book.
But, now this become commercial. Hence, can not sell the book as per license.
How to solve this issue?
Can we have dual license for print and digital media?
Is it possible for CC license for digital versions and "All rights
reserved publishers" or something similar for print versions?
--
Regards,
T.Shrinivasan
My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com
Free E-Magazine on Free Open Source Software in Tamil : http://kaniyam.com
Get CollabNet Subversion Edge : http://www.collab.net/svnedge
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Tarmo Toikkanen

2013-12-15 14:27:28 UTC

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The author is of course allowed to give out multiple licenses, either different global licenses, or contracts with invididual parties.

The author cannot give out different licenses for different uses. It?s impossible to say ?CC BY-NC for such-and-such, and CC BY for something else?. If you license content with several CC licenses, then that content is available under all of them, and the user may select which license they want to follow.

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Post by Shrinivasan T
Thanks for the reply.
It means, even though if a author released his digital content in
CC-NC, he can give rights to any publishers for printing with "All
rights reserved for publishers" license.
Can a CC-NC licensed digital content be printed with some other
license ( Non CC ), with the author's permission?
This seems the author can release his content in multiple license for
various medium.
Am I right?
Apologies for many questions.
Getting so many questions from public when I do evangelism for CC.

Post by Tarmo Toikkanen
You solve the issue by contacting the authors of the content you need, and
negotiate a permission for your use.
What authors can do already is use CC+, meaning they give out a CC license
and indicate where and how to gain (usually, purchase) access to additional
rights.
--
Tarmo Toikkanen
tarmo at iki.fi (mailto:tarmo at iki.fi)
http://tarmo.fi
Friends.
I have a doubt on the term "non-commercial"
I seen a digital content with the following license.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/legalcode
Though the content is shared free of cost with all attributions
digitally online,
I want to print the content as a printed book and share with people.
Printing as book needs some money and can not give the printed book
for free for all.
So, we need to have some minimum cost as price for the book.
But, now this become commercial. Hence, can not sell the book as per license.
How to solve this issue?
Can we have dual license for print and digital media?
Is it possible for CC license for digital versions and "All rights
reserved publishers" or something similar for print versions?
--
Regards,
T.Shrinivasan
My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com
Free E-Magazine on Free Open Source Software in Tamil : http://kaniyam.com
Get CollabNet Subversion Edge : http://www.collab.net/svnedge
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T.Shrinivasan
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Diane Peters

2013-12-15 16:28:25 UTC

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A licensor cannot restrict use of their CC-licensed work to a digital
online copy only. Once applied, our licenses are clear that licensees may
exercise the rights in any media and format (digital, print, etc.). The
same license terms and restrictions continue to apply to the work -- NC in
the example you provide.

Tarmo is correct as to dual licensing. If the online copy and the printed
copy are the same work as a matter of copyright and the licensor applies a
different CC license to each copy, the licensor is offering the same work
under two different licenses and a licensee can choose to exercise the
rights under whichever without violating the licensor's copyright.

We are publishing new FAQs the first of this week which should clear up
these and related issues about how the licenses operate. We'll make sure
to post those to this list as well as our usual lists once finalized.

Thanks,
Diane

Post by Tarmo Toikkanen
The author is of course allowed to give out multiple licenses, either
different global licenses, or contracts with invididual parties.
The author cannot give out different licenses for different uses. It?s
impossible to say ?CC BY-NC for such-and-such, and CC BY for something
else?. If you license content with several CC licenses, then that content
is available under all of them, and the user may select which license they
want to follow.
--
Tarmo Toikkanen
tarmo at iki.fi
http://tarmo.fi
Thanks for the reply.
It means, even though if a author released his digital content in
CC-NC, he can give rights to any publishers for printing with "All
rights reserved for publishers" license.
Can a CC-NC licensed digital content be printed with some other
license ( Non CC ), with the author's permission?
This seems the author can release his content in multiple license for
various medium.
Am I right?
Apologies for many questions.
Getting so many questions from public when I do evangelism for CC.
You solve the issue by contacting the authors of the content you need, and
negotiate a permission for your use.
What authors can do already is use CC+, meaning they give out a CC license
and indicate where and how to gain (usually, purchase) access to additional
rights.
--
Tarmo Toikkanen
tarmo at iki.fi
http://tarmo.fi
Friends.
I have a doubt on the term "non-commercial"
I seen a digital content with the following license.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/legalcode
Though the content is shared free of cost with all attributions
digitally online,
I want to print the content as a printed book and share with people.
Printing as book needs some money and can not give the printed book
for free for all.
So, we need to have some minimum cost as price for the book.
But, now this become commercial. Hence, can not sell the book as per license.
How to solve this issue?
Can we have dual license for print and digital media?
Is it possible for CC license for digital versions and "All rights
reserved publishers" or something similar for print versions?
--
Regards,
T.Shrinivasan
My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com
Free E-Magazine on Free Open Source Software in Tamil : http://kaniyam.com
Get CollabNet Subversion Edge : http://www.collab.net/svnedge
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Diane Peters

2013-12-18 20:52:43 UTC

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Hi everyone,

We've concluded on three new FAQs that may be of interest to this list.
Please see:

What do the terms and conditions of a CC license apply
to?<http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_do_the_terms_and_conditions_of_a_CC_license_apply_to.3F>

Can I apply a CC license to low-resolution copies of a licensed work and
reserve more rights in high-resolution
copies?<http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_I_apply_a_CC_license_to_low-resolution_copies_of_a_licensed_work_and_reserve_more_rights_in_high-resolution_copies.3F>

How do I know if a low-resolution photo and a high-resolution photo are
the same work?<http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_do_I_know_if_a_low-resolution_photo_and_a_high-resolution_photo_are_the_same_work.3F>

We vetted these with affiliates and others. Let us know if you have
questions.

Diane

Post by Diane Peters
A licensor cannot restrict use of their CC-licensed work to a digital
online copy only. Once applied, our licenses are clear that licensees may
exercise the rights in any media and format (digital, print, etc.). The
same license terms and restrictions continue to apply to the work -- NC in
the example you provide.
Tarmo is correct as to dual licensing. If the online copy and the printed
copy are the same work as a matter of copyright and the licensor applies a
different CC license to each copy, the licensor is offering the same work
under two different licenses and a licensee can choose to exercise the
rights under whichever without violating the licensor's copyright.
We are publishing new FAQs the first of this week which should clear up
these and related issues about how the licenses operate. We'll make sure
to post those to this list as well as our usual lists once finalized.
Thanks,
Diane

Post by Tarmo Toikkanen
The author is of course allowed to give out multiple licenses, either
different global licenses, or contracts with invididual parties.
The author cannot give out different licenses for different uses. It?s
impossible to say ?CC BY-NC for such-and-such, and CC BY for something
else?. If you license content with several CC licenses, then that content
is available under all of them, and the user may select which license they
want to follow.
--
Tarmo Toikkanen
tarmo at iki.fi
http://tarmo.fi
Thanks for the reply.
It means, even though if a author released his digital content in
CC-NC, he can give rights to any publishers for printing with "All
rights reserved for publishers" license.
Can a CC-NC licensed digital content be printed with some other
license ( Non CC ), with the author's permission?
This seems the author can release his content in multiple license for
various medium.
Am I right?
Apologies for many questions.
Getting so many questions from public when I do evangelism for CC.
You solve the issue by contacting the authors of the content you need, and
negotiate a permission for your use.
What authors can do already is use CC+, meaning they give out a CC license
and indicate where and how to gain (usually, purchase) access to additional
rights.
--
Tarmo Toikkanen
tarmo at iki.fi
http://tarmo.fi
Friends.
I have a doubt on the term "non-commercial"
I seen a digital content with the following license.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/legalcode
Though the content is shared free of cost with all attributions
digitally online,
I want to print the content as a printed book and share with people.
Printing as book needs some money and can not give the printed book
for free for all.
So, we need to have some minimum cost as price for the book.
But, now this become commercial. Hence, can not sell the book as per license.
How to solve this issue?
Can we have dual license for print and digital media?
Is it possible for CC license for digital versions and "All rights
reserved publishers" or something similar for print versions?
--
Regards,
T.Shrinivasan
My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com
http://kaniyam.com
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