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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 22:25:13 -0700
From: Mike Linksvayer <ml at gondwanaland.com>
Subject: Re: [cc-devel] Missing machine readable notice statement in
all CC4.0 licenses
To: Tarmo Toikkanen <tarmo.toikkanen at iki.fi>
Cc: "cc-devel at lists.ibiblio.org devel" <cc-devel at lists.ibiblio.org>,
Antoine Isaac <aisaac at few.vu.nl>
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RDFa in the deed describes the corresponding license, and cc:Notice is a
cc:Requirement which is in the range of cc:requires which has a domain of
cc:License. A specific copyright notice would be pertinent to a licensed
work -- if this were called out with RDFa, perhaps dc:rights or another
refinement(s...there are potentially notices of copyright, license,
modification, warranty disclaimer) thereof, it'd go in the HTML published
with the licensed work.
If I were writing an automatic remixing tool I'd go with "...it may be
reasonable to satisfy the conditions by providing a URI or hyperlink to a
resource that includes the required information." -- hyperlink to the
publisher's site, possibly including various notices in languages I can't
discern, and archive that page if you want to do something extra. You can't
count on anyone to properly annotate such notices anyway, so a tool that
looks for them can't be foolproof. You can pretty much count on them not
being properly annotated, as title and creator name usually aren't despite
being in the CC chooser forever. IANAL etc.
Maarten is right that the cc:Notice annotation ought be added back to the
deed. I might not add it to the text concerning indication of modification
as notice isn't specific only to that, but that's very close to right. IMHO
etc.
Mike
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Tarmo Toikkanen <tarmo.toikkanen at iki.fi
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:04:18 +0100
From: Maarten Zeinstra <mz at kl.nl>
Subject: Re: [cc-devel] Missing machine readable notice statement in
all CC4.0 licenses
To: Mike Linksvayer <ml at gondwanaland.com>, Tarmo Toikkanen
<tarmo.toikkanen at iki.fi>
Cc: " cc-devel at lists.ibiblio.org devel " <
cc-devel at lists.ibiblio.org>,
Antoine Isaac <aisaac at few.vu.nl>
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Hi Mike,
Putting the implications of CC-rel aside you agree that we need to modify
that document.?
If it were up to you where would you place that RDFa? You indicated that
putting it on top of ?indicate if changes were made? is not ideal, I agree.
But it is the best possible place on the page as it is now, if you ask me.
Antoine and I also considered creating an empty span to communicate this
RDF, however according to Antoine (who know way more about this than I)
search engine consider them spam and might lower the ranking of CC?s pages.
Attribution ? You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the
license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable
manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your
use.
to?
Attribution ? You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the
license, and indicate if changes were made while keeping any notices
intact. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that
suggests the licensor endorses you or your use.
and add the RDFa to the newly added words. That is however something that
the lawyers and community need to discuss.
What do you guys think?
Bottom line: as it stands now we provide two machine readable resources
that claim different requirements of the licenses, that needs to be fixed.
Best,
Maarten
--?
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@mzeinstra
RDFa in the deed describes the corresponding license, and cc:Notice is a
cc:Requirement which is in the range of cc:requires which has a domain of
cc:License. A specific copyright notice would be pertinent to a licensed
work -- if this were called out with RDFa, perhaps dc:rights or another
refinement(s...there are potentially notices of copyright, license,
modification, warranty disclaimer) ?thereof, it'd go in the HTML published
with the licensed work.
If I were writing an automatic remixing tool I'd go with?"...it may be
reasonable to satisfy the conditions by providing a URI or hyperlink to a
resource that includes the required information." -- hyperlink to the
publisher's site, possibly including various notices in languages I can't
discern, and archive that page if you want to do something extra. You can't
count on anyone to properly annotate such notices anyway, so a tool that
looks for them can't be foolproof. You can pretty much count on them not
being properly annotated, as title and creator name usually aren't despite
being in the CC chooser forever. IANAL etc.
Maarten is right that the cc:Notice annotation ought be added back to the
deed. I might not add it to the text concerning indication of modification
as notice isn't specific only to that, but that's very close to right. IMHO
etc.
Mike
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Tarmo Toikkanen <tarmo.toikkanen at iki.fi>
As the 4.0 license allows for licensees to specify a custom copyright
notice, which reusers must retain in any reproductions and redistributions,
would the new cc:Notice tag actually contain this custom copyright notice,
or is it for something else?
I for one would like to see the copyright notice be part of the license
RDFa, since it?s unrealistic to expect reusers to retain information that
can only be found by visually browsing the publisher?s site, and trying to
locate such information (possibly in a foreign language, even).
--?
Tarmo Toikkanen
tarmo at iki.fi
http://tarmo.fi
Hi all,
Recently I?ve been working with Antoine Isaac (in cc) from Europeana on
the machine readability of the deed pages of the 4.0 licenses. Antoine
noticed that the RDF attached to the attribution license (and all other
licenses) was not in sync with the separate RDF file.
the RDFa of?
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/?(using?http://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/extract?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcreativecommons.org%2Flicenses%2Fby%2F4.0%2F&format=turtle&rdfagraph=output&vocab_expansion=false&rdfa_lite=false&embedded_rdf=true&space_preserve=true&vocab_cache=true&vocab_cache_report=false&vocab_cache_refresh=false)
to
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/rdf?
The latter has a cc:requires cc:Notice which is?missing in the former.
The consequence of this is that machine readers could get confused because
there are contradicting sources. Also software based on this standard could
produce wrong information.
To fix this problem we propose to move the the rdfa of cc:Attribution and
add a cc:Notice RDFa tag. We?ve created a pull request that details this
change here:?
https://github.com/creativecommons/creativecommons.org/pull/18
What do you guys think of this change request? Did we overlook something
and is this the most elegant way to fix this problem?
Many thanks to Antoine for pointing this out and working on a fix with me.
Cheers,
Maarten
--?
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 22:25:13 -0700
From: Mike Linksvayer <ml at gondwanaland.com>
Subject: Re: [cc-devel] Missing machine readable notice statement in
all CC4.0 licenses
To: Tarmo Toikkanen <tarmo.toikkanen at iki.fi>
Cc: "cc-devel at lists.ibiblio.org devel" <cc-devel at lists.ibiblio.org>,
Antoine Isaac <aisaac at few.vu.nl>
<CAGSmzpSQ3GueNGRDhEj_sTujb6HJ9j=
dTNxuROO7SP+JP-E2BQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
RDFa in the deed describes the corresponding license, and cc:Notice is a
cc:Requirement which is in the range of cc:requires which has a domain of
cc:License. A specific copyright notice would be pertinent to a licensed
work -- if this were called out with RDFa, perhaps dc:rights or another
refinement(s...there are potentially notices of copyright, license,
modification, warranty disclaimer) thereof, it'd go in the HTML published
with the licensed work.
If I were writing an automatic remixing tool I'd go with "...it may be
reasonable to satisfy the conditions by providing a URI or hyperlink to a
resource that includes the required information." -- hyperlink to the
publisher's site, possibly including various notices in languages I can't
discern, and archive that page if you want to do something extra. You can't
count on anyone to properly annotate such notices anyway, so a tool that
looks for them can't be foolproof. You can pretty much count on them not
being properly annotated, as title and creator name usually aren't despite
being in the CC chooser forever. IANAL etc.
Maarten is right that the cc:Notice annotation ought be added back to the
deed. I might not add it to the text concerning indication of modification
as notice isn't specific only to that, but that's very close to right. IMHO
etc.
Mike
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Tarmo Toikkanen <tarmo.toikkanen at iki.fi
As the 4.0 license allows for licensees to specify a custom copyright
notice, which reusers must retain in any reproductions and
redistributions,notice, which reusers must retain in any reproductions and
would the new cc:Notice tag actually contain this custom copyright
notice,or is it for something else?
I for one would like to see the copyright notice be part of the license
RDFa, since it's unrealistic to expect reusers to retain information that
can only be found by visually browsing the publisher's site, and trying
toI for one would like to see the copyright notice be part of the license
RDFa, since it's unrealistic to expect reusers to retain information that
can only be found by visually browsing the publisher's site, and trying
locate such information (possibly in a foreign language, even).
--
Tarmo Toikkanen
tarmo at iki.fi
http://tarmo.fi
Hi all,
Recently I've been working with Antoine Isaac (in cc) from Europeana on
the machine readability of the deed pages of the 4.0 licenses. Antoine
noticed that the RDF attached to the attribution license (and all other
licenses) was not in sync with the separate RDF file.
the RDFa of http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ (using
http://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/extract?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcreativecommons.org%2Flicenses%2Fby%2F4.0%2F&format=turtle&rdfagraph=output&vocab_expansion=false&rdfa_lite=false&embedded_rdf=true&space_preserve=true&vocab_cache=true&vocab_cache_report=false&vocab_cache_refresh=false--
Tarmo Toikkanen
tarmo at iki.fi
http://tarmo.fi
Hi all,
Recently I've been working with Antoine Isaac (in cc) from Europeana on
the machine readability of the deed pages of the 4.0 licenses. Antoine
noticed that the RDF attached to the attribution license (and all other
licenses) was not in sync with the separate RDF file.
the RDFa of http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ (using
)
to
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/rdf
The latter has a cc:requires cc:Notice which is missing in the former.
The consequence of this is that machine readers could get confused
becauseto
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/rdf
The latter has a cc:requires cc:Notice which is missing in the former.
The consequence of this is that machine readers could get confused
there are contradicting sources. Also software based on this standard
couldproduce wrong information.
To fix this problem we propose to move the the rdfa of cc:Attribution and
add a cc:Notice RDFa tag. We've created a pull request that details this
https://github.com/creativecommons/creativecommons.org/pull/18
What do you guys think of this change request? Did we overlook something
and is this the most elegant way to fix this problem?
Many thanks to Antoine for pointing this out and working on a fix with
me.To fix this problem we propose to move the the rdfa of cc:Attribution and
add a cc:Notice RDFa tag. We've created a pull request that details this
https://github.com/creativecommons/creativecommons.org/pull/18
What do you guys think of this change request? Did we overlook something
and is this the most elegant way to fix this problem?
Many thanks to Antoine for pointing this out and working on a fix with
Cheers,
Maarten
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From: Maarten Zeinstra <mz at kl.nl>
Subject: Re: [cc-devel] Missing machine readable notice statement in
all CC4.0 licenses
To: Mike Linksvayer <ml at gondwanaland.com>, Tarmo Toikkanen
<tarmo.toikkanen at iki.fi>
Cc: " cc-devel at lists.ibiblio.org devel " <
cc-devel at lists.ibiblio.org>,
Antoine Isaac <aisaac at few.vu.nl>
Message-ID: <etPan.5322c612.4516dde9.1759 at MacBook-Air-Maarten.local>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi Mike,
Putting the implications of CC-rel aside you agree that we need to modify
that document.?
If it were up to you where would you place that RDFa? You indicated that
putting it on top of ?indicate if changes were made? is not ideal, I agree.
But it is the best possible place on the page as it is now, if you ask me.
Antoine and I also considered creating an empty span to communicate this
RDF, however according to Antoine (who know way more about this than I)
search engine consider them spam and might lower the ranking of CC?s pages.
Attribution ? You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the
license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable
manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your
use.
to?
Attribution ? You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the
license, and indicate if changes were made while keeping any notices
intact. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that
suggests the licensor endorses you or your use.
and add the RDFa to the newly added words. That is however something that
the lawyers and community need to discuss.
What do you guys think?
Bottom line: as it stands now we provide two machine readable resources
that claim different requirements of the licenses, that needs to be fixed.
Best,
Maarten
--?
Kennisland??|?www.kennisland.nl?|?t +31205756720?|?m +31643053919?|
@mzeinstra
RDFa in the deed describes the corresponding license, and cc:Notice is a
cc:Requirement which is in the range of cc:requires which has a domain of
cc:License. A specific copyright notice would be pertinent to a licensed
work -- if this were called out with RDFa, perhaps dc:rights or another
refinement(s...there are potentially notices of copyright, license,
modification, warranty disclaimer) ?thereof, it'd go in the HTML published
with the licensed work.
If I were writing an automatic remixing tool I'd go with?"...it may be
reasonable to satisfy the conditions by providing a URI or hyperlink to a
resource that includes the required information." -- hyperlink to the
publisher's site, possibly including various notices in languages I can't
discern, and archive that page if you want to do something extra. You can't
count on anyone to properly annotate such notices anyway, so a tool that
looks for them can't be foolproof. You can pretty much count on them not
being properly annotated, as title and creator name usually aren't despite
being in the CC chooser forever. IANAL etc.
Maarten is right that the cc:Notice annotation ought be added back to the
deed. I might not add it to the text concerning indication of modification
as notice isn't specific only to that, but that's very close to right. IMHO
etc.
Mike
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Tarmo Toikkanen <tarmo.toikkanen at iki.fi>
As the 4.0 license allows for licensees to specify a custom copyright
notice, which reusers must retain in any reproductions and redistributions,
would the new cc:Notice tag actually contain this custom copyright notice,
or is it for something else?
I for one would like to see the copyright notice be part of the license
RDFa, since it?s unrealistic to expect reusers to retain information that
can only be found by visually browsing the publisher?s site, and trying to
locate such information (possibly in a foreign language, even).
--?
Tarmo Toikkanen
tarmo at iki.fi
http://tarmo.fi
Hi all,
Recently I?ve been working with Antoine Isaac (in cc) from Europeana on
the machine readability of the deed pages of the 4.0 licenses. Antoine
noticed that the RDF attached to the attribution license (and all other
licenses) was not in sync with the separate RDF file.
the RDFa of?
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/?(using?http://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/extract?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcreativecommons.org%2Flicenses%2Fby%2F4.0%2F&format=turtle&rdfagraph=output&vocab_expansion=false&rdfa_lite=false&embedded_rdf=true&space_preserve=true&vocab_cache=true&vocab_cache_report=false&vocab_cache_refresh=false)
to
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/rdf?
The latter has a cc:requires cc:Notice which is?missing in the former.
The consequence of this is that machine readers could get confused because
there are contradicting sources. Also software based on this standard could
produce wrong information.
To fix this problem we propose to move the the rdfa of cc:Attribution and
add a cc:Notice RDFa tag. We?ve created a pull request that details this
change here:?
https://github.com/creativecommons/creativecommons.org/pull/18
What do you guys think of this change request? Did we overlook something
and is this the most elegant way to fix this problem?
Many thanks to Antoine for pointing this out and working on a fix with me.
Cheers,
Maarten
--?
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